Initiate Legislation in Congress to Withdraw Troops from Iraq

and if the legislation fails to pass in Congress we can round them up and send them all to Gitmo-right?

Yes, lets withdraw from Iraq, Germany, South Korea, Bosnia and Japan while we are at it, because no war is justified.

Lets reneg on all our bi-lateral security agreements with Countries that constantly renew them with us, because they know how useful UN blue helmets are in stopping conflict - ask Rwandans, Lebanese, Darfuris, etc. That way the next time a war breaks out and the World clamors for our help, the enemies of the US can wait about a millisecond before continuing their slaughter and genocide.

Also the next time we try to build a coalition to stop an atrocity or genocide that the left wing condones as "worthy of confronting", other countries will take our commitment and our word seriously.

Good idea. I like it.

This idea ranks up there with most of the others on this site as unserious, flippant, wishful, and completely divorced from reality of the real world. Sorry to inform you that the rest of the world is out for its own benefit (preferably at our expense) and people actually hate us for what we are not for what we do and no amount of negotiation is going to solve anything if the other side has nothing to gain from negotiating.

Who poses the greatest threat to our national security?:

The Clueless Clods of the Loony Left who are either too lazy to learn the FACTS which PROVE the Iraq War is Fully Justified OR they are just too Stupid to be able to comprehend little things like facts.

People LIKE YOU who want to pull the troops BEFORE the job is complete.

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Who poses the greatest threat to our national security?:

The Clueless Clods of the Loony Left who are either too lazy to learn the FACTS which PROVE the Iraq War is Fully Justified OR they are just too Stupid to be able to comprehend little things like facts.

People LIKE YOU who want to pull the troops BEFORE the job is complete.

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Right on, Tricia. She isn't the only American bothered by the war in Iraq, the majority of Americans are, and they'd like to see it concluded asap. Now you guys, Alex and Neil, I suppose want "victory", then maybe you'd be willing to support pulling the troops out of Iraq, or perhaps you'd prefer to leave them there for the next hundred years, like John McCain?

Marde, if having troops in the Middle East for the next hundred years is what it takes to keep America and Americans safe, then, yes, that is what I want to do. Do I wish we were in a world where such intervention was unnecessary? Of course. Is that the world we live in now? Unfortunately no.

If we're living in a world where such intervention is necessary, which is not at all clear, it's a world we created. Our invasion of Iraq created the chaos of the Sunni Shia conflict and created an al Qaeda in Iraq. In the meantime bin Laden's al Qaeda flourishes in Afghanistan/Pakistan and now inspires followers around the world that are proving a not insurmountable challenge to police groups, and don’t require million man armies.

how does the death of a U.S solider in iraq contribute to our security? ----------- must be the oil.

I feel if our militaries leave Iraq, what will happen to the state matters of the country. And also if US does leave where will the terror people go, surly they are not going to go home and call it PEACE. Stragedy tells me, they will work on reenforcing their purposes and come back bigger and stronger. I wouldn't pull back, not wise to me.

First of all, I am a very experienced and very knowledgeable 73 year old who lived during WWII and am a Vet, And since I am an Agnostic Atheist Activist, I am sure no programmed religious robot following Bush around like some puppy dog.

As I have bee studying the Middle East (including Iraq) for 50 some years, I most probably know more about the subject than most, if not all, who have, and will answer here.

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Mike

Your comment proves the only thing which exceeds your Infinite Ignorance of what is going on in Iraq is your Astronomical Arrogance that you have the slightest clue.

IF you actually knew what you were talking about, you never would have said any thing so completely STUPID!

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And "Mardé" the same applies to you.

IF you actually had sufficient information and knowledge of the facts, you would know the Iraq war was both fully justified and a necessary part of our war on terror.

And since you do not seem to know that, it is either because you are too lazy to get the facts or you are not bright enough to understand them.

Next, Oh Obviously Uninformed One, it was NOT our LIBERATION of Iraq which created the chaos of the Sunni Shia conflict, It was caused by TERRORISTS who intentionally caused some of the EXTREMIST on both sides to kill the ones the Terrorists had not already killed.

And IF you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know al Qaeda was in Iraq at least months, if not years BEFORE the war stated. They not only had agreements with Saddass's regime (1996) to KILL any Americans stationed in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, there was an Al Quada in north east Iraq where they had taken over an area including an entire town.

(Those al Quada fighters where taken out in the first part of the war by US Airborne troops and Kurdish forces.)

Next, Oh Illogical One, bin Laden was inspiring followers from around the world for many YEARS before the Iraq war ever stated.

Actually, all you and the others of your ilk prove when you post is how much you do not know and yet how much you falsely believe you do. You poor misguided little things.

The facts are you people are IGNORANT of the danger we face from the Moslem fanatics. Their plan, and they fully intend to do it, is to TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE PLANET and install a TALIBAN form of goverment.

IF they do this, it means women do not go school & are treated like shit. There would be NO dancing, NO Music and NO fun at all.

NO FREEDOM WHAT SO EVER!

Women would be beaten for not covering their bodes from head to toe. Men would be beaten for not growing beards and on and on and on.

Over FIVE times more Moslem Fanatics (100,000,000) have pledged to fight, KILL and die THAN THE US HAD IN OUR MILITARY DURING WWII.

(And most of those in our military were support people and NOT "combat troops were as ALL of Moslem fanatics are.)

Thus anyone with a fully functioning brain knows THE MOSLEM TERRORISTS ARE OUR NO ONE PROBLEM.

IF any of you are interested in learing some of the reason the Iraq war is fully justified, read the articles in my forum

http://community.adlandpro.com/forumShow.aspx?ForumID=10649

First of all, I am a very experienced and very knowledgeable 73 year old who lived during WWII and am a Vet, And since I am an Agnostic Atheist Activist, I am sure no programmed religious robot following Bush around like some puppy dog.

As I have bee studying the Middle East (including Iraq) for 50 some years, I most probably know more about the subject than most, if not all, who have, and will answer here.

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Mike

Your comment proves the only thing which exceeds your Infinite Ignorance of what is going on in Iraq is your Astronomical Arrogance that you have the slightest clue.

IF you actually knew what you were talking about, you never would have said any thing so completely STUPID!

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And "Mardé" the same applies to you.

IF you actually had sufficient information and knowledge of the facts, you would know the Iraq war was both fully justified and a necessary part of our war on terror.

And since you do not seem to know that, it is either because you are too lazy to get the facts or you are not bright enough to understand them.

Next, Oh Obviously Uninformed One, it was NOT our LIBERATION of Iraq which created the chaos of the Sunni Shia conflict, It was caused by TERRORISTS who intentionally caused some of the EXTREMIST on both sides to kill the ones the Terrorists had not already killed.

And IF you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know al Qaeda was in Iraq at least months, if not years BEFORE the war stated. They not only had agreements with Saddass's regime (1996) to KILL any Americans stationed in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, there was an Al Quada in north east Iraq where they had taken over an area including an entire town.

(Those al Quada fighters where taken out in the first part of the war by US Airborne troops and Kurdish forces.)

Next, Oh Illogical One, bin Laden was inspiring followers from around the world for many YEARS before the Iraq war ever stated.

Actually, all you and the others of your ilk prove when you post is how much you do not know and yet how much you falsely believe you do. You poor misguided little things.

The facts are you people are IGNORANT of the danger we face from the Moslem fanatics. Their plan, and they fully intend to do it, is to TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE PLANET and install a TALIBAN form of goverment.

IF they do this, it means women do not go school & are treated like shit. There would be NO dancing, NO Music and NO fun at all.

NO FREEDOM WHAT SO EVER!

Women would be beaten for not covering their bodes from head to toe. Men would be beaten for not growing beards and on and on and on.

Over FIVE times more Moslem Fanatics (100,000,000) have pledged to fight, KILL and die THAN THE US HAD IN OUR MILITARY DURING WWII.

(And most of those in our military were support people and NOT "combat troops were as ALL of Moslem fanatics are.)

Thus anyone with a fully functioning brain knows THE MOSLEM TERRORISTS ARE OUR NO ONE PROBLEM.

IF any of you are interested in learing some of the reason the Iraq war is fully justified, read the articles in my forum

http://community.adlandpro.com/forumShow.aspx?ForumID=10649

you need to go read the forum of how we can improve our image in the world. I think you may be part of the problem. How can you be so arrogant to believe that we are doing anybody a favor by occupying their nation?

I also find it hard to believe that you, a veteran, honestly believe that our country will ever be taken over by the taliban.

Scare tactics are nasty, disgraceful, and dirty lies from the right to control the poplulation. I would think that being an athiest you would understand this considering the similarities between that and organized religion.

tell the Children the truth

"If we're living in a world where such intervention is necessary, which is not at all clear, it's a world we created."

Right, Marde... because the Middle East was a cradle of peace and prosperity prior to our invading Iraq.

"How can you be so arrogant to believe that we are doing anybody a favor by occupying their nation?"

Yeah, because prior to our arrival, they seemed to be doing so well on their own before. Assuming you define "well' as riding around in the desert on camels beheading each other.

"Assuming you define "well' as riding around in the desert on camels beheading each other."

your ignorance matches Reinhardt's arrogance.

you do realize that we have had a strong presence in the middle east and have interfered with thier affairs for many years, right?

Just a quick recap.

1980's Reagan and Bush administrations pour billions of dollars in to the region to support islamic fundamentalist groups to fight the soviet's in Afghanistan. Osama was trained and fought side by side with the CIA.

Thousands of civilians were killed and the chaos resulted in a power vacuum which the taliban filled.

On 9 June 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq..."

there is so much more but....

by my calculations we have been meddling in the affairs of iraq and the middle east for more than 25 years, but i am sure you were writting about the state of the region prior to 1980 right??

The best thing that we tried to get through congress was what Webb was pushing for - the return to the norm of you serve X time in Iraq you are required to get X time at home. That was a step in the right direction that I really hoped would make it.

"by my calculations we have been meddling in the affairs of iraq and the middle east for more than 25 years, but i am sure you were writting about the state of the region prior to 1980 right??"

Actually, uneducated, I was writing about the last several thousand years, not simply the last quarter century. My point was that the Middle East of 2008 doesn't look particularly different from the Middle East of 1508, or 1008, or 508, or 8. Our arrival on the scene (far longer than 25 years ago, by the way) didn't exactly halt some grand social, political, and economic upswing.

Like Dennis Kucinich said, close all foreign bases. The real enemy is corporate thugs who abuse power and reward dictators for letting them rape their people, lands and resources. Not everyone in the World Trade towers was as innocent as the maids, janitors and firemen.

I refer to the poll quiz question at right...

"Where should the next president expend the greatest effort to encourage democracy? :
Cuba
Iraq
Pakistan
Kosovo
Russia"

What's wrong with this quiz question? Two things:

(1) The question itself sums up everything that is wrong with US foreign policy.

(2) The only correct answer is 'United States', but it doesn't even appear as an option.

The left cheers the day we withdrew from Viet Nam despite the fact millions of people were slaughtered after our withdrawal in the killing fields of Cambodia and in Vietnam. The left never has to say I am sorry or admit their soul mates on the far left are responsible for more deaths in the world than any organized religion ever was. More deaths unless of course the left gets their way again and we withdraw from Iraq and millions are murdered by the radical Islamists in Iraq. Than al Qaeda will be emboldened to come after us because as Bin Laden said we are just a bunch of "paper tigers" who lack the will to win. So in Tricia's world view instead of winning the war in Iraq we should just admit defeat, withdraw from Iraq and wait for another 9/11. All because the left feels that the USA are the guilty ones and instead of defeating them we should try and make amends with al Qaeda who want us dead, yes dead.